{"id":10864,"date":"2018-10-10T17:07:22","date_gmt":"2018-10-10T17:07:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/visakanv.com\/1000\/?p=10864"},"modified":"2019-09-25T19:06:05","modified_gmt":"2019-09-25T19:06:05","slug":"0723-bad-to-want-things","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/visakanv.com\/1000\/0723-bad-to-want-things\/","title":{"rendered":"0723 \u2013 introspect: is it bad to want things?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>IS IT BAD TO WANT THINGS?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In a separate post I talked about how people who have achieved their goals and dreams have sometimes found that it&#8217;s not all they thought it was going to be. It didn&#8217;t gratify them in the way they were hoping to be gratified \u2013 or if they did, they got used to it pretty quickly, while the downsides and costs of getting what they wanted remained.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is that a cautionary tale? In a sense, yes. Does that mean you shouldn&#8217;t want things, or that it&#8217;s bad to want things? 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Maybe not directly; maybe it&#8217;s through the culture. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;Do what you love doesn&#8217;t mean do what you would most like to do <em>this second<\/em> \u2013 rather, it&#8217;s about what will make you happiest over some longer period, like a week or a month. After a while you get tired of lying on the beach. If you want to stay happy you have to do something.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What I&#8217;m thinking from re-reading this PG essay is that there are things that the reader should know about the nature of reality \u2013 more specifically, about what work is like, what pleasure is like, and how these things change over time. This is about contextualizing your wants. You might think as a child that paradise is eating ice cream for every meal, but no adult does this \u2013 we know that there are diminishing returns, and eventually all that binging is unpleasant and has unpleasant consequences as well. 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